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PERM Fake Job Ads defraud Americans to secure green cards fo

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A 2007 clip in which immigration attorneys describe how they help employers run classified ads designed not to find qualified American applicants, so they can secure green cards for H-1B workers. It is presented as an exposé of the PERM process.

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HN commenters in H-1B debates post it as evidence that the labor-market test is gamed with fake job ads.

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From the Hacker News discussion

rdtsc · 2011-12 · critical

It's a cost issue usually disguised as a "skilled immigrant" issue. Large companies want technical workers (the new miners and factory workers) who are willing to accept a much lower wage than native workers. So when they talk about "skilled" they usually mean "skilled and willing to work for $40k/year instead of $80k/year". Just look at how many H1B positions are advertised and how much legal but shady stuff goes on. Put ad in local paper among classifieds for "free dirt available", if any resumes are received from US citizens they are discarded (note they have to be "considered" but not accepted), and so on. If it was just about "skills" there would be no need for this shit to go on. [VIDEO]

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GNUAerospace · 2012-10 · critical

“H-1B workers may be hired even when a qualified US worker wants the job, and a US worker can be displaced from the job in favor of the foreign worker.” US Department of Labor The US government and corporations have sold you out as a US CITIZEN. See the proof [VIDEO] ;

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aspensmonster · 2013-05 · critical

The devil is in the details. What constitutes a "skilled" worker? The selling point of the H-1B program was that there really were high-paying jobs available that absolutely nobody state side was stepping up to the plate for, so they needed to bring in skilled immigrants who had the chops to take on these high-paying jobs. The imagery was that America's Best Companies were stalling because they couldn't find the "best and brightest." Evidence suggests otherwise ( [LINK] ). Now, I'm not saying you can't find H-1Bs with high salaries or genius intellects. The study linked simply says it's not a majority of the people coming in. Most of them are decidedly not "best and brightest" and certainly aren't pulling six figures annually. That is, the program isn't being used for its stated purpose. Rather, it certainly seems that the goal is _not_ to find local talent, even if it's there ( [VIDEO] ), because one wants to manipulate the meaning of "prevailing wage" and "qualified worker" to suit a lower labour cost margin. As well, there are other economic indicators to consider. If there really is a widespread tech shortage you'd expect wages to rise. And you can see various market niches' wages spike at certain localized times of labor shortage. But you don't find high and increasing wages across the board, sustained for years at a time. That is, one of the key indicators of a crippling shortage, simply isn't there. The low unemployment rate in tech hubs like Silicon Valley is further

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FLUX-YOU · 2014-03 · critical

Look, Schmidt is just another Obama-tomaton. We can clearly see that here: "Schmidt was a campaign advisor and major donor to Barack Obama and served on Google’s government relations team."[0] It's purdy darn clear that Schmidtty was going to be more useful outside of the government, safe inside of Google's bunkers. Whatever Schmidty might say to the public, he's sitting on his nice little nest egg in the event that TSHTF[1]. He has an escape plan and possibly a security detail and a private jet to get the hell out. Probably has a few panic rooms built into that $22 million home of his[2]. >"His new home in Holmby Hills, an exclusive enclave that is one of three neighborhoods forming Los Angeles’ Platinum Triangle"[2] 'Enclave'? More like burbclave. But let's stop beating up the scarecrow and look at his points directly: >First, support startups. “When you look at the solutions to the problems that you’re describing, which ultimately lead to severe joblessness, they all involve creating fast-growth startups.” Now, it don't matter if your startup is makin' moonshine and running from the Fed[3] to hacking a new way to disrupt the sectors of integrated customer service experiences, it's obvious that startups are focused on Silicon Valley right now -- where the money is. Maybe we oughtta spread those startups out a little bit? >Second is “more education, more information, more connectivity.” He and President Obama have both pushed for more education in science, technology, engine

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gopher1 · 2014-04 · critical

Yeah, exactly, and even though you're technically prohibited from excluding Americans in the job ads, take it from Cohen & Grigsby, there's plenty of ways around that problem: [VIDEO] They'll teach you how they assist employers in running classified ads with the goal of NOT finding any qualified American applicants. You can thank them directly here: [LINK]

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Torgo · 2014-12 · critical

To support his claim here's a video of a law firm advising companies on exactly how to craft employment ads to hire only foreign workers and not hire Americans even if they are qualified. In fact he even says it explicitly, the goal is to not hire a domestic worker, and getting a suitably experienced domestic worker applying for the job is considered a failure state of the process. [VIDEO] It tells you where to place your ads so that they are "publicly visible" but nobody sees them, and how to craft them to the exact skillset of the foreign worker you're already going to hire. They say that they are complying with the letter of the law, but they are not because the law requires you to make a good faith effort to hire domestically and they are telling you how to reject those candidates even if they apply. [VIDEO] "our goal is clearly to not to find a qualified and interested US worker." I understand the skepticism on HN because many people are working in places where real high-end work is being done. But I worked in the Midwest for over eight years and we had guys brought in to do Apache Struts work, and half the time I had to teach them how to do it. Maybe part of the reason some of you guys who really need qualified foreign workers are getting squeezed is because other companies are screwing you by fraudulently hiring. Why weren't the people in that video above ever prosecuted? They're on video admitting to crimes.

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anjc · 2014-12 · critical

There's lots of evidence out there. Probably the most obvious signal for you should be that companies are complaining about a lack of workers, but wages are stagnant. Or another signal might be the fact that 50% of STEM grads have to work in unrelated industries because of an inability to find work in tech. If you want more proof of funniness: [VIDEO] Or if you want proof of major tech companies in the US colluding to suppress wages, look up everything related to this: [LINK] If you want proof of US companies paying slave wages in the US, etc etc. The funniness goes on and on.

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ConfuciusSay · 2015-09 · critical

Companies post fake ads that they never respond to in order to be "in compliance" with visa rules. Lawyers help them in their deception: [VIDEO]

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