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How Wrong Is VERITASIUM? A Lamp and Power Line Story

How Wrong Is VERITASIUM? A Lamp and Power Line Story

ElectroBOOM
4 HN recommenders · discussed 2021–2023
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ElectroBOOM's Mehdi Sadaghdar responds to Veritasium's lamp-and-long-wire puzzle, analysing it as an electrical engineer. He covers where the original framing misleads and the role of stray capacitance.

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HN commenters recommend it as the more rigorous, polite and complete treatment of the Veritasium puzzle, though one dissents that the original misleads people.

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From the Hacker News discussion

jacobolus · 2021-12 · strong rec

Controversial is fine to the extent the controversy shows people struggling toward clearer understanding and better explanations, and as long as all parties are operating in good faith (i.e. not being deliberately misleading). Let me highly recommend Mehdi Sadaghdar’s (ElectroBOOM) excellent response video [VIDEO] which does a great job of empirically investigating and theoretically explaining the subtleties involved, in a polite, respectful, and entertaining way. I have similarly enjoyed the exchange between Sadaghdar and Steve Mould about the physics of the “chain fountain”. These kinds of friendly scientific “debates” show viewers (e.g. kids) a bit of how the scientific process and scientific discourse works, in a form that is more accessible and digestible than technical journal papers or history books. Having a discussion back and forth helps to improve both viewers’ specific knowledge and viewers’ processes for comprehending and interrogating new information, so long as the median viewer actually sees some of the responses. (Someone who only ever saw the first Veritasium video probably ends up with a somewhat wrong mental model.)

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afiori · 2021-12 · rec

In my opinion the video made a couple of mistakes, which I think ElectroBoom's response* addresses nicely. Also its proof using the pointing vector to show the flow of energy is misleading; In the video Derek shows that the energy flows toward the lamp when the circuit is already in a stable configuration, but the point of the video is to explore what happens before the circuit reaches that configuration. This is relevant: assume that the right half of the cable is connected to the positive pole of the battery, in a stable configuration every point of the right half of the circuit has a positive charge (creating the poynting vector field as shown in the video) while 1/c seconds after the switch was closed the wire just to the right of the lightbulb will have a negative charge (the cable near it is positively charged from the battery and so the upper cable acts as a the negative half of a capacitor) which changes the direction of the poynting vector. In the end it felt like it was telling you that its message was that energy travels via the fields but what it actually said what that switches cause electric interference. * [VIDEO]

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naasking · 2021-12 · rec

You should watch Electroboom's analysis if you want the full details from an electrical engineer: [VIDEO]

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haxiomic · 2021-12 · rec

The veritasium video didn’t create a clear picture of what’s going on and you shouldn’t feel bad for feeling more confused after watching it ElectroBOOM has a good response [VIDEO]

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tdrdt · 2021-12 · reference

Medhi Sadaghdar (Electroboom) explains this. Medhi says the video is right but starts with a trick question. That's what the controversy is about. [VIDEO]

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Abishek_Muthian · 2021-12 · reference

> AFAIU, the entire point of the video was to show that electricity travels not through wires but via electric fields ("through the air" so to speak). Only that he doesn't context the video with that, But with a 'trick/googly' question. One of the reasonable constructive criticism I came across for this video is from Mehdi(ElectroBOOM)[1] where he explains why the real answer is not in the options offered by Derrick. Personally I like the quality of Veritasium videos, but I lately feel that the barometer has shifted towards sensationalism rather than scientific education. [1] [VIDEO]

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contravariant · 2021-12 · reference

This discussion seems to revolve around Veritasium's video explaining how elecitricty doesn't quite flow inside of power lines. I can't help but feel that "electricity doesn't travel along the wires" is a somewhat unhelpful "well, actually" explanation that kind of misses the point. And you can tell it misses the point because you can't actually carry electricity without free electrons. And at least in part the confusion seems to focus itself around the concept of stray capacitance, which makes it doubly confusing when you illustrate it with circuit diagrams where stray capacitance is deliberately left out. See also ElectroBOOM's rebuttal [1] where he illustrates how the situation can be explained by explicitly drawing in the stray capacitance. [1]: [VIDEO]

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aemreunal · 2022-01 · reference

Disclaimer: I don't understand nearly enough about the physics of electricity, but this was a popular response video by ElectroBOOM that Veritasium also responded to in the comments: [VIDEO]

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